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Postad av: Dynamic Man i Politik, integritet, tags: fra, framtidstro, övervakning, världsförbättringJag åkte från Sundsvall för att delta på manifestationerna mot FRA-lagen, i första hand den utanför Riksdagens öppnande, men även i den på Sergels Torg. Det mesta som behöver sägas har redan skrivits av andra än mig, men jag tänkte ändå fälla några sparsamma kommentarer för att visa var jag står:
- Det var viktigt att finnas där politikerna fanns, och att visa regimen att vi inte glömmer.
- Det var viktigt att finnas där politikerna fanns, och att visa de som utgör vår demokratis framtidshopp att vi stöttar dem.
- Det var viktigt att visa enighet, de två arrangemangen hade samma syfte och målsättning och ska inte ses som konkurrerande utan snarare som kompletterande.
- Det är olyckligt att vissa inför dagen verkade diskutera “lagliga” versus “olagliga” demonstrationer mer än de diskuterade FRA-lagen. Det finns inga olagliga demonstrationer i Sverige, demonstrationsfriheten är grundlagsskyddad. Däremot kan det vara straffbart enligt ordningslagen att anordna en demonstration om man inte söker tillstånd, eller bryter mot erhållet sådant. Det betyder dock inte att demonstrationen i sig, eller deltagande däri, blir olagligt.
- 27 talare på Sergels Torg är antagligen ett imponerande sätt att visa upp bredden på motståndet. Det är bra.
- 27 talare på Sergels Torg innebär definitivt ett alldeles för långt schema för i princip vilken manifestation som helst. Nu försvann större delen av folket allteftersom, och av de som befann sig där från start till slut var det många som gick iväg långa stunder under manifestationen för att värma sig, få något i magen, eller av andra liknande skäl. Det gör att folkmassan inte ser på långa vägar lika imponerande ut som den kunde ha gjort. Det är mindre bra.
- Hemsidan för Hoppets Demonstration kom såvitt jag förstår upp cirka en vecka innan demonstrationen. Det är alldeles för sent.
- Man lär så länge man lever. Credd till alla som gjorde något.
Jag vill också säga att jag är glad att jag kommer kunna se mina eventuella framtida barn i ögonen och säga att jag stod upp och försvarade demokratin den där kalla septemberdagen, och inte att jag stod på ett lager i Timrå eller låg hemma i soffan.
Det har så klart skrivits en hel del om manifestationerna också, både i gammelmedia och i bloggar. Föga förvånande finns det även en hel del bilder och videosnuttar på nätet. Här nedan försöker jag samla det jag hittat hittills – det finns såklart mycket mycket mer för den som har tid att leta…
Jag har försökt göra något slags uppdelning för att det ska bli lättare att hitta det man söker. Inte perfekt, men det får duga.
Gammelmedia, ledare
Expressen: Johannes Forssberg: Reinfeldt kan inte fly FRA
Expressen: Peter J Olsson: Kvinnochock mot FRA
Expressen: Folklig resning gör mig upprymd
SvD Ledarbloggen: Uppslutning – fast på flera håll
SvD Ledarsidan: Den som har rätt har det största tålamodet
Aftonbladet: Ingen bra dag för Fredik Reinfeldt
Gammelmedia, artiklar
Medievärlden: Bilder och kommentarer från FRA-demonstrationerna
Sydsvenskan: Tusentals demonstrerade mot FRA-lagen
Göteborgsposten: Välbesökt demonstration mot FRA-lagen
SVT Västnytt: Demonstration mot FRA-lagen
Dagen: Protester mot FRA när riksdagen öppnade
Skånskan: Protester mot FRA i Malmö
Kulturbloggen: Filmer från FRA-manifestationen: Riv upp, gör om, gör rätt
Ny Teknik: Hundratals protesterade mot FRA-lagen
Expressen: Protester mot FRA-lagen
Expressen: Peter Eriksson: “Handlar om mänskliga rättigheter”
Journalisten: Lågmäld protest mot FRA (Påstår att deltagarna i Stockholm var runt 200 stycken, vilket är fullständigt felaktigt. Titta på några av videoklippen som finns länkade längre ner och bilda dig en egen uppfattning…)
Göteborgs Fria Tidning: FRA på allas läppar
QX.se: “FRA-lagen ett hot mot HBT-aktivister i diktaturländer”
Gammelmedia, video
Aftonbladet: Olaglig demonstration stoppade ledamöter (Fullständigt vansinnig sensationslystnad som vanligt, med påståenden som att den icke tillståndsgivna demonstrationen var “olaglig” och att polisen var där för att stoppa den… Herre gud så pinsamt det är att se sådan här “journalistik”.)
Expressen: Komikerns attack mot försvarsministern
Expressen: “Vi finner oss inte i det som händer”
Bloggar, text
Anna Troberg: “Hej Kungen” och andra tankar om demonstrationerna igår
Rick Falkvinge: We are Piratpartiet of Rohan
Rick falkvinge:Demonstrationerna i Göteborg: 1500 deltagare
Rick Falkvinge: Demonstrationerna i Malmö: 500 deltagare
Pirat-Janne: Demonstrationer i Tisdags
Tirarafeministem Linnéa: Demonstrationen igår
Opassande: Värkande fötter och hoppfullt hjärta
Opassande: Var var ni allihopa?
Kurvigheter: Gårdagens demonstration
Krubb: Off Topic: Välkomna tillbaka efter sommarlovet, riksdagen!
Enligt min humla: Sextonde September
Röd Libertarian: FRA: Olaglig demonstration stoppade ledmöter
Christian Engström: Bra polisinsats vid FRA-demonstrationerna
Gustav Nipe: Alla som inte hoppar gillar FRA (Malmö)
Copyriot: Olidligt demonstrerande
Bloggar, foton
Insane Meditation: Anti-FRA-demonstration (bildbombardemang)
Christian Engström: FRA-demonstrationer 16 september 2008 – bilder
Motpol: Bilder från hoppets demonstration
Onsdag: Tisdag
Rick Falkvinge: Två bilder, video processas just nu
Valfritt: Bilder från FRA-demonstrationerna 16 september
Blogge Bloggelito: Malmö mot FRA II (Malmö)
icmpecho: FRA-protests, some pictures
Fotogallerier
Flickr: Dennisone
Dagen: Bildgalleri
Videoklipp
Google Video: Preview of Piratpartiet rallies 2008-sep-16 (finns även för nedladdning, då med bättre kvalitet)
Youtube: Piratpartiet ansluter till Hoppets Demonstration
Youtube: Här kommer Piratpartiet
Youtube: Demo mot FRA-lagen (det är här Magnus Betnér kallar Tolgfors för lögnaktigt kukhuvud)
Youtube: Manifestation mot FRA-lagen 16 september 2008
Youtube: Christian Engström från Piratpartiet talar om FRA-lagen (del 1)
Youtube: Christian Engström från Piratpartiet talar om FRA-lagen (del 2)
Youtube: Peter Eriksson, mp, talar mot FRA-lagen
Youtube: Erik Laakso från Sossar mot Storebror talar mot FRA-lagen
Youtube: Rick Falkvinge, FRA-Demonstration – STHLM 16/9 – 08
Youtube: Johan Norberg mot FRA-lagen
Youtube: Smakprov med HAX
Blip.tv: Dennis Startrek: Hoppets Demonstration (Samling på Norrmalmstorg, avmarsch)
Blip.tv: Dennis Startrek: Hoppets Demonstration (Demonstrationståg – inmarsch på Sergels Torg – inledning – Magnus Betnér, komiker)
Blip.tv: Dennis Startrek: Hoppets Demonstration (Peter Eriksson, Miljöpartiet – Johan Norberg, Nyliberal – Magnus Andersson, Centerns Ungdomsförbund)
Blip.tv: Dennis Startrek: Hoppets Demonstration (Piratpartiet anländer till Sergels Torg)
Blip.tv: Dennis Startrek: Hoppets Demonstration (Christian Engström, Piratpartiet)
Blip.tv: Dennis Startrek: Hoppets Demonstration (Maria Ferm, Grön Ungdom)
Blip.tv: Dennis Startrek: Hoppets Demonstration (Solveig Hellquist, Folkpartiet – Birgitta Ohlsson, Folkpartiet – Jytte Guteland, Sveriges Socialdemokratiska Ungdomsförbund – Anders Karlsson, Socialdemokraterna – Alice Åström, Vänsterpartiet – Charlie Weimers, Kristdemokratiska Ungdomdomsförbundet)
Blip.tv: Dennis Startrek: Hoppets Demonstration (Camilla Lindberg, Folkpartiet – Maria Lundqvist Brömster, Folkpartiet – Birgitta Ohlsson, Folkpartiet – Cecilia Wikström, Folkpartiet)
Det där blev ganska mycket. Men hellre överflöd än underskott. Om det blev någon dublett så går det kanske att leva med. Vet ni om något mer som borde in på listan så kan ni gärna få meddela mig om det, så uppdaterar jag posten.
Lycka till med att plöja igenom allting. :)
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Perfekt, bra sammanställning.
Har någon därute publicerat några deltagarsiffror från Stockholm? Runt 200 som Journalisten hävdar är ju naturligtvis orimligt lite, men var det 600, 800 eller 1000 eller mer? Vet någon?
För lite med tanke på frågans allvar var det ju tyvärr definitivt…
Det var låga deltagarsiffror – det går inte att komma ifrån. Dock betydligt mer än 200. Vi var ju för tusan fler än 200 på Mynttorget på morgonen och det var nog bortåt 400 på Sergels torg när jag gick dit istället för att följa med upp till Storkyrkan.
Men jag är faktiskt rätt besviken på att det var så få där. Möjligen är det som Deep Edition skrev – att demonstrationer har blivit ett omodernt uttryckssätt – och det var en kylig tisdag i september. Det är svårt att få dit fler än de verkligt engagerade då. En kort, kraftfull demonstration på kvällen hade nog lockat betydligt mer människor än maratonmötet på Sergels Torg tror jag.
Henric: Jag tror faktiskt jag läst alla de siffrorna du nämner i inlägget, och några till därutöver, i olika referat… Vilka man ska tro på är inte det lättaste att avgöra. Niklas som kommenterat här ovan skriver i Svart Måndags forum att deltagarantalet varierade mellan 300 och 1200 personer. Utifrån det jag såg på Sergels Torg efter vår ankomst tror jag det kan ligga rätt nära sanningen.
(I samma kommentar skriver han förresten också att det låga deltagarantalet, i förhållande till målsättningen, kommit att bli något av ett argument för avlyssningsivrarna. Det vore så klart olyckligt i sådana fall. Jag vill påstå att målsättningen redan från början var orealistisk. Även om det är en fruktansvärt viktig fråga så har vi ju inte en protestkultur i Sverige som innefattar att ta ledigt från jobbet/skolka från skolan för att gå ut på gatorna och skrika. Dessutom ska man komma ihåg att det finns många som gärna villa ta ledigt för att komma, men som inte beviljades ledighet. En tisdag är helt enkelt inte den ultimata tidpunkten för den här typen av arrangemang. Tyvärr.)
Schysst lista, jag tänker dock inte försöka ta mig igenom varenda länk ;-)
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